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Qualcomm sets the record straight on Penelope (Hint: it's not Eudora 8)

By Lisa Hoover on September 05, 2007 (4:00:00 PM)

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Last fall, Qualcomm announced plans to join forces with the developers of Mozilla's Thunderbird email client to produce an open source version of Eudora. Since some code in the original Eudora client is proprietary, engineers needed to rebuild the application from scratch. When the first beta release of Penelope -- a Thunderbird add-on developed by Qualcomm -- was announced this week, many people assumed it was actually a beta release of a new open source Eudora client. Adding to the confusion is the fact that Penelope is not supported on Linux systems. Jeff Beckley, co-project lead at Qualcomm, sets the record straight.

"The main source of confusion about this project seems to be Penelope vs. Eudora," he says. "Penelope is an extension to Thunderbird, and Eudora is a branded version of Thunderbird with some extra modifications. Some features we are working on can be implemented in an extension like Penelope, but some require changes to the core of the Thunderbird code and therefore have to be made in Eudora. It is our hope that many of our changes will find their way into the core Thunderbird code base, but we realize that not all of them will. The Mozilla folks have been positive about inclusion of our changes in to Thunderbird."

Another point of clarification Beckley stresses is the source code origins for Penelope and Eudora. "This project is being implemented with no source code from the previous versions of Eudora. The original Eudora source code contains some proprietary portions from third parties that we are unable to distribute under open source. So there is no easy way to 'move' features from Classic Eudora to the new Eudora/Penelope. All changes have to be reimplemented."

Beckley notes that the biggest obstacle the team had to overcome was the learning curve on the Mozilla/Thunderbird code base. "It's very large and therefore takes a while to comprehend how all of the pieces fit together," he said. The project currently has full-time engineers from Qualcomm working on its development as well as a variety of other part-time contributors working behind the scenes. All told, approximately four man-years have gone into the first beta release of Penelope.

Steep learning curve aside, though, Beckley says the ability to create a product like Penelope has been very exciting. "The fact that the Mozilla platform has such a great deal of extensibility has made this possible, and will allow Eudora users to continue to have an email application that feels comfortable to them."

So why isn't Penelope supported on Linux? Beckley says the team wishes it was, but it's a matter of finding the right help for the job. "Although the Penelope plugin does run under Linux, we don't really have the Linux experience to feel confident in making Linux releases. We'd be delighted if somebody wanted to contribute their time to helping us get it right for Linux."

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Qualcomm sets the record straight on Penelope (Hint: it's not Eudora 8)

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 75.68.96.213] on September 05, 2007 10:16 PM
Bleck. I still find Eudora 6.x on Mac OS X quite useable. This new version, being a complete rewrite, lacks much of what 6.x has. It shouldn't have the Eudora name on it anywhere.

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Qualcomm sets the record straight on Penelope (Hint: it's not Eudora 8)

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 66.229.248.65] on September 05, 2007 11:23 PM
release the linux version as alpha, let the community step up to make it right.

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Qualcomm sets the record straight on Penelope (Hint: it's not Eudora 8)

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 67.35.117.82] on September 06, 2007 01:27 PM
I use it it works just fine

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Just what is the point?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 69.17.4.153] on September 06, 2007 07:16 PM
Sounds useless to me. I used eudora for a while in the mid 90s. If they're not contributing any code from eudora then what use is it? Sounds like they should be doing nothing but pushing patches upstream to thunderbird, it sounds like gui-beautification fluff. I don't remember anything all that great about eudora. Back in the day it was nice looking and worked easily, compared to pine or that solaris mailtool, but once knock-off free (beer and otherwise) clients got halfway decent hardly anyone was willing to pay for it. If there are a bunch of third party code in it, then release the parts that aren't and let the community replace them instead.

Do they think they can sell it or support for it somehow? Are they getting everyone else to build them a nice client for their "exchange killer" server? lol

I'm just at a loss, but if they're paying the salaries of the developers, whatever... I'm all for programmers getting paid....

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Qualcomm sets the record straight on Penelope (Hint: it's not Eudora 8)

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 192.168.203.9] on September 07, 2007 03:28 AM
Seem to just contradict their own website: <a href="http://www.eudora.com/developers/">http://www.eudora.com/developers/</a>



"To get involved with the development of open source version of Eudora, be sure to visit the <a href="http://wiki.mozilla.org/penelope">Penelope page at Mozilla.</a>"

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