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Ogg Vorbis, VP3 combining forces to create Open Source multimedia package

By on June 23, 2002 (8:00:00 AM)

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- By Grant Gross -
On Monday, On2 Technologies is announcing that it will open-source versions of its multimedia player and server products and turn those projects and its Open Source VP3 video compression software over to the foundation that runs the Ogg Vorbis audio compression project. On2 will work with the Foundation to create a complete Open Source multimedia software suite to rival MPEG-4 and products from Microsoft and Real.
On2 will sponsor work done by the Foundation to combine those projects, plus On2's already open-sourced VpVision personal video recorder, into a product they believe will provide serious, free competition to the increasingly expensive MPEG-4 royalty fees.

"We think that the whole MPEG-4 licensing thing is unhealthy for the industry, and having an end-to-end Open Source solution quite frankly is a very nice flanking maneuver against MPEG-4," says Doug McIntyre, president and CEO of On2. "They're going out and saying they want to charge more than anybody else does because this is going to be a standard, and our counter-play to that is, 'Here's ... a video codec that's better than MPEG-4, an audio codec that we think is better, and in addition to that, there's no fee."

McIntyre says the lack of a "truly integrated multimedia system" is one weakness of the Open Source software catalog now. "This puts the Open Source community in a position where that's no longer the gaping hole in the way that Open Source software operates."

McIntyre sees another weakness in Open Source projects that are controlled by for-profit companies. "I think Open Source initiatives that are operated by corporations like ours are probably somewhat suspect, just because people look at them and say, 'All they want to do is take the ideas they get and put it into their proprietary technology.' It's what I would describe as potentially fair paranoia."

To avoid that paranoia, On2 is turning the project, codenamed Theora, over to the non-profit Foundation. McIntyre sees Ogg Vorbcis as the "audio equivalent" of On2's VP3. Combining those two with VpVision, the TrueCast 5 server and its video player, will eventually yield an Open Source multimedia system that "works off the shelf."

Emmett Plant, CEO of the Foundation, says there's about a year of work ahead before all the elements are combined into a working product, but On2's support will pay lead Vorbis developer Christopher "Monty" Montgomery's rent. "We're getting to do something a lot of people wish they could do -- get paid to work on Open Source software," Plant says. "No, we're not going to focus on just one project because that's where we're getting paid now, but it does make things easier." Editor: Plant is a former columnist for NewsForge and former employee of OSDN, which owns NewsForge and

Much of the hacking needed is on the Ogg multimedia framework, which has needed to be done for a long time, Plant says. "This gives us a very good excuse to go in and do that. When we can put together the total package, it'll be very easy to be able to move to any computing platform you want that has a monitor on it."

While will control the project, McIntyre and Plant both say On2 's engineers will continue to be involved, and if there's ever some kind of disagreement, all the code will remain Open Source. "It's not as though they're just handing the code and running away," Plant says. "I think they're going to give a lot of good help to give us moving forward. The great thing is it's not just good help to us, but it's good help to everybody."

Plant says the VP3 project will positively impact the Ogg Tarkin video codec project, which is largely "theoretical" at this point. The work done on the Ogg multimedia framework for this Theora project will help build a foundation for Tarkin, he says.

All On2's donated software, including the now LGPLed VP3, will be moved to the Ogg Vorbis BSD-style license. Although VP3 is a patented technology, the negotiations between and On2 have resulted in the patent's teeth being removed, Plant says.

So what's in it for On2? As other proprietary companies have done, On2 is hoping that the Open Source project will create a standard that builds interest in its proprietary products, like VP5 and TrueCast 7.

"From my standpoint, we have lots of major corporations that may not use Open Source software," McIntyre says. "They may want to use the proprietary versions of our software. I find that one of the best ways for them to get comfortable with On2 as a software development company is to download the Open Source stuff and use it. It's the ability to test drive the principles behind how all of our software works."

McIntyre says there's all kinds of potential impacts, including on gaming for Linux. Ogg Vorbis is already being used in a couple of PC games, including Unreal Tournament and Serious Sam, but Plant hesitates to make any sweeping predictions.

"That's one thing that we learned with Vorbis, that it won't always be used for the kind of stuff we think it's going to be used for," Plant says. "Once you've got an open code base, you find it used in a lot of strange and different ways. We're looking at a situation where I can't really tell you where the mass adoption is going to come because experience tells me I have no idea."

McIntyre also sees a negative impact on Microsoft's multimedia products. "Microsoft has had a policy of giving away its Windows Media Player, server and codecs in a market where other people like Real charge for them," he says. "If there's another very, very good system that's got all the elements to it and that's free, I don't know if that's great news for Microsoft.

"As you know, Ballmer and these guys run around and turn red and virtually have strokes every day when people say there's some other competitive Open Source initiative."

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Way cool

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 24, 2002 08:00 AM
Let's leave it at that :)




Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 24, 2002 10:18 PM
Why not just grab the LGPL source and run with it. Why get a BSD license?



Posted by: Grant Gross on June 25, 2002 02:36 AM
I think the Vorbis people would argue that a BSD license makes it easier for other companies to start using the software in their products, thus helping create a standard for the Vorbis/VP3 codecs.



Open Source vs. Free.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 24, 2002 10:42 PM
This article reminds me of a conversation I just recently had on Open-Source promoting small-business growth. Of course, I don't mean this in the usual sense... free software lowering operating costs.

My former employer, and my new software company are both running along the same lines. Unfortunately, my former employer - a rather large, bulky, horribly managed software company didn't realize this is what it's coders were doing but ... none the less.

Whenever the company needed a new 'solution' for either its customers, or in-house - the coders would immediately turn to Open Source. More importantly however, most open source projects required tweaking - or just plan, all-out hacks. The coders would always document their work, stick to the original architecture of the open-source project, and re-release their fixes to the world.

The result was (in the end) a lot less work for our coders. They would take existing software, come up with a new 'idea' or 'feature' (that was required) and code it - all the while getting paid (as they should). Then, next week when the company turned around and said, "Oh no, we've found a security hole in this software", or "What about making the software do *this*" -- our development crew would just check back on the 'net for the status of the project - and usually find the new changes, or obvious 'extentions' of their work had already been accomplished.

In many ways, a small company with a coder or a google of programmers can really benefit from using and adding to open-source projects - not for the reduced 'licensing' costs - but for the reduced cost of 'innovating' and 'improving' those products while the company expands.

So, I find it interesting that McIntyre says, "I think Open Source initiatives that are operated by corporations like ours are probably somewhat suspect." To me, it seems obvious that a lot of business models can work with and benefit from Open Source beyond reduced licensing.

<A HREF="">My company</a> certainly does.

--<A HREF="">The Home Techie</a> ...


Re:Open Source vs. Free.

Posted by: DCallaghan on June 25, 2002 12:21 AM
I agree completely; I like open source software because it can be customized to do the job you want, instead of making you customize the job to match with the capabilities of the proprietary application.

It does seem to be true that corporate Open Source applications can be suspect, mostly because of the Linux culture of the individual hackers coming together in a commmunity. A corporation has to make a demonstrable effort to let the community know that they truly understand the value of an open source project and aren't just trying to steal free programmer time.


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