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Linspire is going away

By Tina Gasperson on August 08, 2008 (7:00:00 PM)

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Linspire, the distribution originally launched as Lindows, is no more, says Xandros CEO Andreas Typaldos.

Xandros purchased Linspire, the company, earlier this summer. This week, the company announced that it was going to revamp community distribution Freespire, basing its next version on Debian instead of Ubuntu, and using it as a precursor for Xandros Desktop Professional, in much the same way Red Hat uses Fedora and SUSE uses openSUSE. But the company didn't need multiple for-pay desktop distributions, so Linspire is getting the boot.

"A principal advantage of Linspire, its codec licensing agreement with Microsoft, no longer applies," Typaldos says. "With the Linspire acquisition we had three desktop brands and two distinct code bases. From joint discussions with our respective engineering teams it made eminent sense to combine our efforts with a single code base and two brands.

"Freespire is returning to Debian because we need to build all of our desktop products upon a single code base," Typaldos says. "Xandros has always worked closely with the Debian community where the emphasis is stability and consistency over the bleeding edge. Besides, it's not that big a switch since Ubuntu is based on Debian as well."

Both Xandros Desktop Professional and Freespire will be built on a Debian "Lenny" code base. Typaldos says that some familiar elements from Linspire, such as the CNR client, will probably show up in Xandros.

Linspire, originally known as Lindows, was the Linux distribution that took on Windows with its "choice is good" motto and too-close-for-comfort moniker, which brought Microsoft attorneys running and prompted the change to Linspire. Founder Michael Robertson also attracted the scrutiny by the Free Software Foundation by playing fast and loose with GPL licensing terms. Lindows' main claim to fame was its status as the first pre-installed Linux to be sold in Wal-Mart, or any other major US retail establishment.

Tina Gasperson writes about business and technology from an open source perspective.

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Linspire?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 199.164.56.5] on August 08, 2008 09:00 PM
<YAWN>

Ok, sure... whatever...

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.55.156.171] on August 08, 2008 09:47 PM
Then why did they buy Linspire anyway?

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 147.102.142.23] on August 11, 2008 07:52 AM
They bought Linspire's brand and userbase (at least 10 users, I guess) and that Click N Run the article talks about (anybody looking for a poor Synaptic clone? not me).

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 72.237.174.94] on August 08, 2008 10:32 PM
Well poop... now there's only 9,999 Debuntu derivatives out there to choose from. What are we going to do?

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 75.170.62.36] on August 09, 2008 12:41 AM
Well poop... now there's only 9,999 Debuntu derivatives out there to choose from. What are we going to do?

We could fork it

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 65.57.245.11] on August 09, 2008 12:53 AM
Yay!

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 96.228.149.153] on August 09, 2008 02:12 AM
hey do you think MS would get pissed if we called the fork Microsuck Whore?

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 117.195.33.136] on August 09, 2008 04:32 AM
Why did Xandros buy Linspire. Well of course to kill the competition and get their end customers also. So they can push Xandros Server down to every customer that they have.

Companies do it all the time.

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 74.140.179.164] on August 09, 2008 05:11 AM
You mean like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_acquired_by_Microsoft_Corporation">these</a>?

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That is bad news

Posted by: hopethishelps on August 09, 2008 02:40 PM
Even worse news is the level of comments in the first few responses. If I thought that they were indicative of the average maturity of FOSS supporters, I'd give up all hope for GNU/Linux right now.

Linspire accomplished what no other distro has ever done: it got a GNU/Linux distro pre-installed on computers sold in a major retailer. This is essential, yes ESSENTIAL, for GNU/Linux to get enough users to guarantee its long-term survival. Just for doing that, it deserves very great respect from everyone in the Free Software community.

Somebody will no doubt say that Dell sells GNU/Linux preinstalled and that Dell is a major retailer. But the fact is that if somebody goes to the Dell web site with the intention of just buying a computer, that somebody will end up with Windows pre-installed because you have to dig very, very deeply into the Dell site - and know it's there, somewhere - to find any mention of GNU/Linux.

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Re: That is bad news

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 192.168.1.201] on August 09, 2008 06:50 PM
Rxart -in Argentina- does it too. It's based on Debian. Unfortunately, they did not paid me high enogh for my job there, and I walked away.

(Yes, I'm human and I hate captchas)

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Re: That is bad news

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.242.131.98] on August 10, 2008 02:58 AM
> But the fact is that if somebody goes to the Dell web site with the intention of just buying a computer, that somebody will end up with
> Windows pre-installed because you have to dig very, very deeply into the Dell site - and know it's there, somewhere - to find any
> mention of GNU/Linux.

Oh yeah...http://dell.com/linux...that's really deep. Alternatively, http://linux.dell.com and click on the first link in the Navigation list. Or go to http://dell.com and type Linux in the search box at the top of the page.

So what if Dell doesn't sell Linux right off their home page. Get over it. As much as I like Linux, it isn't for everyone and offering it side by side with Windows would just confuse most people, who could care less about what operating system they use as long as it works. If you feel that giving credit to Linspire is good to do, then fine, do it, but bashing Dell because they don't display Linux more prominently on their website, ignoring the fact that they have been supporting Linux on their servers for a long time with engineering resources, patches, and drivers for their hardware and now offer Linux desktops and laptops preinstalled, is just plain wrong. It was largely due to Dell making this move, that the other hardware vendors, like HP, Lenovo, and others started following suit with their own offerings. So give Dell their props for taking the first steps, and if you want to get them to do more, then support their efforts by purchasing their hardware and ask nicely.

And the first person who implies that I'm in the pay of Microsoft can bite me. I use Linux at home, at the office, and have since before RedHat, Slackware, and Debian were released (the first version I installed was version 0.95). There was even a point in time when a text file that I sent to one of the LInux mailing lists was included in the kernel documentation directory (jumper settings for the WD8013 ethernet NIC). I contributed a small patch to get mailx 4.4 to compile under Linux that Vince Skahan used to distribute with his electronic mail packages. I worked for VA Linux and Penguin Computing, and have written two books on Linux System administration that were published by Sam's Publishing.

T. Schenk

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Re(1): That is bad news

Posted by: Chris Spencer on August 10, 2008 06:08 PM
So what if Dell doesn't sell Linux right off their home page. Get over it. As much as I like Linux, it isn't for everyone and offering it side by side with Windows would just confuse most people, who could care less about what operating system they use as long as it works.

That's the only comment you made that I disagree with, as I find it a bit contradictory. You said that it isn't for everyone, and they don't care as long as it works. The fact of the matter is Ubuntu has better support for more hardware than Windows. Having a centralized package manager like Synaptic is much easier to use then having to tell a noob how to go to a website and download something, and make sure it doesn't require any more libraries. Linux is immune to those pesky viruses and Limewire worms that everyone seems to be catching also.

Basically what I'm saying is the same as what most people are trying to say: If Linux performs on par - and in a lot of cases better - than Windows, then why is it reasonable not to ship it. Some people make the user base argument, but how can you expect to increase the user base of Linux without selling pre-installed copies of it?

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Re: That is bad news

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.158.175.178] on August 10, 2008 06:43 PM
>by: hopethishelps on August 09, 2008 02:40 PM
>Even worse news is the level of comments in the first few responses. If I thought that they were indicative of the average maturity of FOSS >supporters, I'd give up all hope for GNU/Linux right now.

Those comments seem to be entirely typical for FOSS "supporters" of the fanboi variety. While the amount of "support" they actually provide for FOSS is subject to debate, I tend to think a debate on that subject would lead to a consensus that their "support" is minimal in reality.

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 76.74.205.122] on August 09, 2008 03:27 PM
"Linspire accomplished what no other distro has ever done: it got a GNU/Linux distro pre-installed on computers sold in a major retailer"

Hi, Ubuntu accomplished that without moving a finger.

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 69.14.105.199] on August 14, 2008 04:59 PM
I have run Ubuntu and Linspire side by side and without a doubt even a year old release of Linspire is better the the "cutting edge" Ubuntu 8.04, the linux community shunned Linspire for having the codex preinstalled that you have to click a button in unbuntu to get so that you can hear and see all the info at just about every website with windows media installed ...how childish that was and you can see by the anti Linspire post here that the linux community is childish. I will be putting the Freespire on all 8 of my computer at the office and my personal computer at home......I have had no need for MS Windows for over 2 years now.

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 201.42.116.205] on August 09, 2008 10:59 PM
Twelve people shocked.

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A principal advantage of Linspire, its codec licensing agreement with Microsoft, no longer applie

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.161.205.173] on August 10, 2008 02:50 AM
A principal advantage of Linspire, its codec licensing agreement with Microsoft, no longer applies?

Then why buy Xandros? I presumed that they wanted the rights to those codecs to lure OEMs?

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 74.130.75.143] on August 10, 2008 03:31 AM
If I remember properly, and I usually do, xandros also holds the rights on wordperfect for linux, which came from corel with the corel linux. And is now sleeping with the fishes.
Does xandros buy things to bury them ?

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 76.10.158.206] on August 10, 2008 12:21 PM
> If I remember properly, and I usually do
I'll take your word for it. I'm a trusting soul.

> xandros also holds the rights on wordperfect for linux,
No.

> which came from corel with the corel linux.
No.

> And is now sleeping with the fishes.
No.

Instead of remembering, you could look it up!

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 75.107.244.5] on August 11, 2008 04:45 AM
Aww... I liked the name. I liked "Lycoris" too.

"Ubuntu" is lousy. I won't buy anything with a name that dumb. :p

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 66.186.254.230] on August 13, 2008 01:20 AM
I stell run Lycoris 1.4, I'am never on the bleeding edge.

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 75.134.52.52] on August 11, 2008 11:46 PM
With all this bruhaha over Xandros and Linspire, I noticed one thing that's being ignored...... both companies' connection to Microsoft. Both companies made a deal with Microsoft. Why is that fact being overlooked?

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Nathan Willis on August 12, 2008 03:19 AM
By all means, feel free to elaborate. I'm not being sarcastic; if you see a connection there, say what it is.

Nate

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.48.191.162] on August 12, 2008 08:52 AM
As Kevin Carmony said- Xandros is probably just as dead as Linspire. The company has/had a smaller user base than Xandros. Linspire had a chance despite all the stupid things its primary investor and founded did (Michael Robertson). We had the "root" incident (mostly a publicity disaster), we had the non-free software/drivers problems (should have segregated non-free components to a repository/separate CD), amongst other issues (needed more focus on quality & integration even if they were the leaders in this area). From my understanding based on what people were saying just before and prior to it going under inside the company (for all intensive purposes that is what happened) Robertson was what held the company back all these years. The only real near-success was 5.0 that happened under Kevin Carmony. I don't think he was all that, but he didn't interfere at all or create problems. 5.0 should have been the precursor to a successful retail roll out of the operating systems in retail channels. Had the thing continued development it could have competed with Vista. It had a solid set of commercial applications available for it- and mainly needed more support from hardware companies (like HP printers need to list that it is a supported operating system) and quality check to work out the bugs (bugs that were easily fixable). Even though Linspire only ever had 5 real engineers they could have pulled it off-had they hired the right people and just let them do what needed to be done.

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 69.14.105.199] on August 14, 2008 05:23 PM
"As Kevin Carmony said- Xandros is probably just as dead as Linspire. The company has/had a smaller user base than Xandros. Linspire had a chance despite all the stupid things its primary investor and founded did (Michael Robertson). We had the "root" incident (mostly a publicity disaster), we had the non-free software/drivers problems (should have segregated non-free components to a repository/separate CD), amongst other issues (needed more focus on quality & integration even if they were the leaders in this area). From my understanding based on what people were saying just before and prior to it going under inside the company (for all intensive purposes that is what happened) Robertson was what held the company back all these years. The only real near-success was 5.0 that happened under Kevin Carmony. I don't think he was all that, but he didn't interfere at all or create problems. 5.0 should have been the precursor to a successful retail roll out of the operating systems in retail channels. Had the thing continued development it could have competed with Vista. It had a solid set of commercial applications available for it- and mainly needed more support from hardware companies (like HP printers need to list that it is a supported operating system) and quality check to work out the bugs (bugs that were easily fixable). Even though Linspire only ever had 5 real engineers they could have pulled it off-had they hired the right people and just let them do what needed to be done"


EMMMM SOUNDS LIKE INSIDER INFO....WOULD YOUR NAME BY CHANCE BE ...ERRR .....EMMM KEVIN MAYBE?

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 205.158.231.42] on August 12, 2008 11:26 PM
Don't get your panties in a bunch because 'supporters' are yawning and ho-huming. Xandros/Linspire/Freespire are all redundant distros with no real place in the market. As one commenter pointed out, anyone can run Synaptic (I've got it on KDE+Xandros on my eeePC and Gnome+Ubuntu on my desktop) so CnR is pretty useless. Sure, it adds the ability to PAY for software, which the Linux community has always desparately wanted (sarcasm!).

If someone were to want to pay for support on an OS like Xandros, why not pay for Red Hat or Ubuntu server, which are cheaper and more widely supported. Again the only real difference is their deal with the devil to officially support propietary codecs that everyone else already supports for free.

I also reject the notion that selling PCs to end users with Linux pre-installed is in any way vital to its survival. We've done just fine over the last decade with a small group of dedicated desktop users and a decent share of the server market. I'm already noticing the kind of retards who are 'casual' desktop users joining the community and seen the resulting troll-flamewars and angry responses from the self-entitled masses when they hit a hiccup. God forbid anyone should have to LEARN something.

My two cents, thanks for reading.

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 72.66.238.212] on August 13, 2008 02:58 AM
Too bad that Xandros hasn't gone away. They make the worst looking Linux distro I have ever seen!

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 81.98.32.69] on August 14, 2008 12:19 PM
I for one will not miss it.

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.5.4.130] on August 14, 2008 09:22 PM
I just want to say that after trying openSuse and Ubuntu. Btw Im a total noob primarliy a gamer coming from windows. I think that openSuse is better. There is nothing that Ubunto has that I was not able to figure out how to get running on Suse 11.0 x64. And to be honest I personally hate the name Ubuntu. I'm not African. Also just because I like Chinese food doesnt mean I would want a desktop that says mushu pork on it. Although mushu pork actually sounds like a better distro name than Unbunto oga boga moga lol. :P Btw I just found out that shockwave sucks for not supporting linux boooooo to lame aars shockwave. Im not gay either. pffft I love all of you. And just for you super duper intellictuals who will insult me and my post Im highly edemicated, (grad shcool) I just dont care. lolerz . Freedom!!!!

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 205.158.231.42] on August 15, 2008 12:43 AM
The distro is called Ubuntu, and holy crap you're an ignorant, racist retard. PLEASE for the love of crap go back to using Windows. You said you're a gamer, right? Windows is the gaming platform, and it's so easy to use! Why would you use Linux in the first place? If I ever have to read a post that dumb on Linux.com ever again I swear to god I'm going to tracert your IP, hack your ISP and find out where you live and bury anyone who shares your genome in the DESERT. FUCK.

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.5.4.130] on August 15, 2008 04:38 AM
Oh ya the IP is in Aliso Veijo California . Its Cox baby Cox.

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Re: Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.5.4.130] on August 15, 2008 04:56 AM
Gaming

Linux is no stranger to gaming. Linux distributions almost always include games; the GNOME Games package, for example, features 16 arcade and puzzle games, and the KDE Games Center includes games from the arcade, board, card, dice, logic, strategy, and toy genres. If the distributions don't contain what you're looking for, you can turn to commercial sites such as Linux Game Publishing and Tux Games, or you can buy games directly from small companies, independent publishers, and bedroom coders. If games designed for Microsoft Windows or home gaming systems are what you're after, several available emulators may be able to help. For more information on the numerous games available to Linux users and how to obtain them, see Enjoying games with GNU/Linux. The source of this excerpt is www.linux.com

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Linspire is going away

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 41.212.139.193] on August 17, 2008 11:44 AM
I have neither used Linspire nor Xandros as I prefer other free distros but linspire is a more "sexy" name than xandros.

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Re: That is bad news

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 81.39.95.89] on September 03, 2008 07:53 PM
> who could care less about what operating system they use as long as it works.
You can explain to them: is like having an accountant working for you and writing all your data in a secret language, so you can not read it and are forced to depend on him ("your data as hostage"). Normally when you ask him, the accountant tells you what you want, in English. But whenever he wants, he increases the quantity of money you have to pay to him, and forces to pay him whenever he thinks it's better for him. He also does it with your government, so you have to pay even more money in taxes.
Now replace "accountant" with "Microsoft program" and "he" with Microsoft.

People care as long as it works? :-) Yes, normally it works, but, what an oppressive way :-( knowing there are free/libre programs.

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