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Re(1): Well, some opinions of mine...

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: unknown] on October 24, 2008 09:32 PM
> All the settings dialogs are well below that width. Height is our main issue; the one or two dialogs that could potentially be taller than 800 pixels have scroll bars as a temporary fix until they can be redesigned properly.

Indeed. I've written poorly, I was referring to the "Settings Manager" (this one: http://frugalware.org/images/screenshots/default/04_xfce_desktop.png ), the one which calls all dialogues (and these are rather small). The Settings Manager is the only one oversized. I've written about it 'cause I cannot resize it; it also has more elements than the one in the image I just provided.

Just to clarify things, I installed directly a Kubuntu CD (not Ubuntu and then aptgetting kubuntu). On the not so brisk KDE on my old PC (must be a Celeron 1.7MHz), I decided to apt-get xubuntu(-desktop). I don't know if this has something to do with anything. The rest is pretty much standard... other windows resize normally in XFCE.

> This doesn't make any sense to me. Xfce does not use GNOME libs. Xfce uses glib and gtk+, which are fundamental to its operation.

Yes, I'm wrong again. I wonder if it's the age... I meant gtk. I even go on afterwards ranting about this issue I have... can't you figure what I mean and pay less attention to what I write? 8-/

> it uses C, with an OO layer written in C (which is at times a little clumsy and verbose), but it's definitely OO.

This was a major PITA when I had to do the same line of programming many years ago. Maybe you all are on a better shape then I was then and so this is not such a big problem for the developers, after all.

> If you don't like Gtk+-based desktops, use KDE, E17, or one of the lighter-weight desktops that don't use Gtk+ or Qt.

On one hand, I worry about how being "clumsy and verbose" makes your work harder. Life being easier for developers sometimes ends up benefitting users, too.
On the other hand, Gnome is ok, etc. but its excessive cleanliness bothers me. But that's me; maybe most users have the opposite opinion.

For example, just yesterday I needed to know what device was associated with /media/disk. First of all, I couldn't identify my pendrive: I have a /boot partition and both look identical. I had to click on each one and _then_ XFCE renamed my pendrive as a 4G device. Once I found it, I went right-click, Properties and voilĂ ! No reference to whatever /dev/ it was.

Now I know it's easy to open a Konsole and type "mount" and, of course, XFCE being small, it even makes sense. It probably has another dialog which gives this info when I get more used to it.

> And Fltk? Really? Sorry, but I like my desktop to look decent.

Yep. This is a real problem. I even have to admit Gnome is very good-looking and probably beats KDE in this regard. But KDE apps all look more integrated, most probably because of Qt and that is a kind of beauty, too.

For me as a XFCE user, looks are great as they are now, but usability is really more important (I apologize to all for taking all this so off-topic). IMHO even ease-of-use loses to usability.

And being as lean as possible.

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Thank you for your attention and taking the time to answer my rants... Unfortunately, there's more to come... ;-D

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