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Re:I think you are missing the point

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 15, 2004 04:59 AM
[from OP]Rather than investigating the actual and well-documented agenda that led to the rapid shift away from a war against Al-Qaeda to a war against Iraq, Moore proposes an implausible and extremely confused conspiracy theory.

Guess I shouldn't have read that paragraph. It obviously led me to believe that he didn't think that this particular aspect of the Saudi-US oil relationship had anything to do with it, and that Moore should have paid attention to Ibish's pet rock, instead. Silly me.

Note, Ibish may have a point. It might actually be that Moore would have been wiser to pay attention to that, instead. But he didn't, and saying that the script should have featured your favored point of view rather than his isn't much of a criticism, in my opinion. And if he stopped there, I might have thought of this as a halfway intelligent analysis. Unfortunately, he goes on:

[from OP]At the heart of Moore's film lies the malevolent influence of "the Saudis," a phrase that in the US is increasingly spat out with utter contempt, reminiscent of the tone reserved for "the Jews" in anti-Semitic discourse, ascribing to millions of otherwise heterogeneous people the same menacing and hostile essence. In a great deal of contemporary American discourse, any group of Saudis - including the government, security services, and any collection of citizens, not to mention Osama bin Laden, Al-Qaeda and the hijackers of Sept. 11, 2001 - all represent "the Saudis."

Which seems to assert that Moore (among other wrong-thinking Americans) just hates the Saudis, largely because he's not really careful to distinguish between the people who run the country with an iron fist in conjunction with some of their friends and a few religious fanatics, and all those other Saudis who don't seem to be able to affect the course of their society toward a less brutal or demented direction. To me, this is like saying that someone is anti-Semitic because he criticizes Isreal's policies toward the Palestinians. Ironically, Ibish has been accused of being anti-Semitic, I believe, for that reason.

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